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The Trinity – Godhead – 3 in 1

Here is an incredibly in-depth study of the triune GOD.

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(Triune God) 5-20-1027
Isa 48:16  Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
Isa 48:17  Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Dan 7:13  I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Dan 7:14  And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Dan 7:27  And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Neh 9:6  Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
Neh 9:7  Thou art the LORD the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham;

Psa 86:8  Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works.
Psa 86:9  All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.
Psa 86:10  For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone.

Jer 10:10  But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
Jer 10:11  Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.
Jer 10:12  He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.

Joh 17:3  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4  I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5  And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

1Co 8:5  For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6  But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Isa 43:10  Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isa 44:6  Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

JESUS IS GOD (Refuting JW’s & Subordinationism, etc)

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Joh 20:26  And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:27  Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 20:29  Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

1Jn 5:20  And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
1Jn 5:21  Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

Joh 11:4  When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

Act_20:28  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Rom 9:5  Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Php 2:5  Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

1Ti 3:16  And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Heb 1:1  God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2  Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4  Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5  For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:6  And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Heb 1:7  And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Heb 1:10  And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Heb 1:11  They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
Heb 1:12  And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Heb 1:13  But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Heb 1:14  Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Heb 2:14  Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15  And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Heb 2:16  For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17  Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18  For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Col 1:15  Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18  And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19  For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

AUDIO #2:

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Jesus was SEPARATE from the FATHER:

Heb 2:9  But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Heb 2:10  For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
Heb 2:11  For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Heb 2:12  Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
Heb 2:13  And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

The FATHER gave the SON as a SIN OFFERING:

Gen 22:8  And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Isa 53:6  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

GOD the FATHER made JESUS to be sin for us:

2Co 5:20  Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Co 5:21  For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

JESUS speaking to GOD the FATHER:

Mat 27:46  And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Luk 23:34  Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

Luk 23:46  And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

The FATHER & THE SPIRIT raised JESUS from the dead:

Rom 8:11  But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

The FATHER’s will to send Jesus:

Joh 6:38  For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39  And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Mat 26:39  And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Mat 26:40  And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
Mat 26:41  Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Mat 26:42  He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

JESUS came from the FATHER then left the world and went to the FATHER. The FATHER never left heaven!

Joh 16:28  I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

JESUS is GOD:

Joh 8:58  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 8:59  Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Joh 8:14  Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
Joh 8:15  Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
Joh 8:16  And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
Joh 8:17  It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
Joh 8:18  I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
Joh 8:19  Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

How JESUS submitted to the FATHER as a MAN:

Heb 5:7  Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Heb 5:8  Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Heb 5:9  And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Heb 5:10  Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Joh 15:1  I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Joh 15:2  Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Joh 15:3  Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Joh 15:4  Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5  I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6  If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7  If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Joh 15:8  Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
Joh 15:9  As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
Joh 15:10  If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 15:11  These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

Joh 8:28  Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
Joh 8:29  And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
Joh 8:30  As he spake these words, many believed on him.

Heb 7:24-25

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Jesus at the RIGHT hand of the FATHER:

Acts 7:55-56

Colossians 3:1

Heb 8:1

JESUS is NOT the FATHER! (Modialists killer) ISAIAH 9:6

Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

HE existed from all eternity, HE created all things, etc. He is the “Father of Eternity”. You could call any of the 3 the “Father of Creation”….

Isa 9:7  Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

JESUS was less than the FATHER in HIS HUMANITY only, not otherwise. HE voluntarily took this position….

Heb 2:5  For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Heb 2:6  But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Heb 2:7  Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb 2:8  Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Heb 2:9  But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

JESUS knew not the hour? Matthew 24 & Mark 13 JESUS temporarily gave up his Godly powers as he became man:

Php 2:3  Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Php 2:4  Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Php 2:5  Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8  And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9  Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10  That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

The CHARACTER of CHRIST in HIS HUMANITY:

Php 2:12  Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13  For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Php 2:14  Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
Php 2:15  That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
Php 2:16  Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
Php 2:17  Yea, and if I be offered upon the sacrifice and service of your faith, I joy, and rejoice with you all.
Php 2:18  For the same cause also do ye joy, and rejoice with me.
Php 2:19  But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timotheus shortly unto you, that I also may be of good comfort, when I know your state.
Php 2:20  For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care for your state.
Php 2:21  For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ’s.
Php 2:22  But ye know the proof of him, that, as a son with the father, he hath served with me in the gospel.
Php 2:23  Him therefore I hope to send presently, so soon as I shall see how it will go with me.
Php 2:24  But I trust in the Lord that I also myself shall come shortly.
Php 2:25  Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.
Php 2:26  For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.
Php 2:27  For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.
Php 2:28  I sent him therefore the more carefully, that, when ye see him again, ye may rejoice, and that I may be the less sorrowful.
Php 2:29  Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness; and hold such in reputation:
Php 2:30  Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life, to supply your lack of service toward me.
Joh 14:28  Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD & A PERSON:

2Ti 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

So:
2Pe 1:20  Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21  For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Act 5:4  Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

JESUS is NOT the HOLY SPIRIT: 

We see the Trinity in these verses CLEARLY!

Joh 15:26  But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh 15:27  And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

Joh 14:16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Mat 12:32  And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

1Co 15:45  And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. (Jesus had to become flesh and blood and unlike Adam who sinned, Christ entered into Glory and is preparing a people to enter glory). It’s not saying Jesus is the Holy Spirit. HE is a glorified GOD-MAN.
1Co 15:46  Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

PROOF OF THE TRINITY:

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3  And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

THREE IN ONE yet SEPARATE:

Mat 3:16  And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

TOGETHER yet DISTINCT:

Joh 14:15  If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Act 2:32  This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33  Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

FATHER-SON-HOLY SPIRIT

Rom 8:11  But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

2Co 13:14  The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. The second epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, a city of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.

1Pe 1:2  Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Act 5:30  The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Act 5:31  Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Act 5:32  And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Heb 10:12  But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13  From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14  For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15  Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

1Jn 5:7  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


The Bible repeatedly teaches that there is only one true God, in contrast to the many warring, conflicting, different gods of of the heathen (Deut. 4:35,39; 6:4; 32:39; Psa. 86:10; Isa. 43:10-13; 44:6-8; 45:5,6,21-23; Matt. 4:10; Mark 12:29).

However, the Bible also mentions three individuals, “persons,” or spirit beings, each of whom is called “God,” or other such terms used for God.

The Heavenly Father – Matt. 16:16,17; John 6:27,44,45; 20:17; Rom. 1:7; 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Eph. 1:3; etc.

Jesus, the Son – John 1:1,14; 20:28,29; Phil. 2:6-8; Heb. 1:8,9; Col. 2:9; Isa. 9:6.

The Holy Spirit – Acts 5:3,4; Eph. 4:30; 1 Thess. 4:8.

First, we are going to clarify what the trinity is NOT!

Subordinationism

Subordinationism is an heretical view that God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are not merely relationally subordinate to God the Father, but also subordinate in nature and being. In other words, this view maintains that, within the Trinity, the Son and the Spirit are ontologically inferior to the Father. To the contrary, orthodox doctrine maintains that although there is no autonomous Person of the Trinity, none who is God apart from any other Person, yet each Person is coequal to God, since they are God in three persons or the essence of God.

Many Christian leaders in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Centuries acknowledged a “relational subordination” of the Son and the Holy Spirit to the Father, as to an authority, not as an inferior being to a superior one, thus they are all coequal, God in 3 persons, father, son, holy spirit under the godhead, 3 in essence! Deny the deity of Christ, you deny the faith.

The heresy of Subordinationism originated in the first century and teaches that Christ and the Holy Spirit are not co-equal with God the Father, but are subordinate to Him, with some also holding to the subordination of the Holy Spirit to Christ. This in essence destroys the unity of the singular Godhead making lesser gods of the Son and the Holy Spirit.

You can twist scripture to try and prove this false belief, but the bottom line is, do you say Jesus is not God? Since you believe He is subordinate to the father? You would have to believe this, but anybody who takes away the deity of Christ, making Him lesser than God, to me has denied the faith, only God can forgive sins, and Jesus was God,and also a man, who yielded to the father as a man, but was still equal with God, because He is God!

There is a single omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God eternally co-existing in three co-equal persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, commonly known as the godhead. As individual persons, each one has a will, can reason, can feel independently; and as a single God the three distinct persons work perfectly harmoniously in things like the creation and redeeming the souls of men.

In the person of Jesus Christ is the perfect merging of God with man, making Him the God-man. Man likes to add and in this case the units will not add up correctly (100% God +100% Man=200% ?), whereas God multiplies, (100% God x100% Man=100% God-man). The scriptural requirement of the propitiatory sacrifice was that it could only be achieved by the 100% God-man, with anything else falling short of that requirement.


Don’t go where the wicked catholics are going just because they got this one thing right!

Greater:
John 14:28 (position)

Equal
Philippians 2:4-8 (Deity)

The Holy Spirit is not the Father, and He is a Person. Pronouns throughout Jn 14:1-16:33 speak this. Again, Holy(hagios) Spirit(pneuma) is made up of two neuter words. Jesus uses a masculine pronoun referring to He, the Holy Spirit, Who is clearly not the Father, different times throughout Jn 14:1-16:33. Jesus goes to the Father, and the Holy Spirit comes down, you have 3, or you deny Someone willfully. If you deny Jesus, you deny the Father, and you are antichrist (1 Jn 2:22). Jesus also says you can blaspheme the Holy Ghost(Matthew 12:32-37), so it would be worth not using your emotions because you are so hard up against the catholics, because you dont want to spend eternity with the catholics.

1 Jn 5:7 teaches this, along with Matthew 28:19-20. Anyone who says its not taught in the Bible is a heretic, 3 are 1

Various other passages speak of all 3

Acts 5:30-32, Heb 9:14, 10:1-17,1 Pet 1:2, Baptism of Jesus

Marriage:
2=1 (Echad) flesh (Gen 2:23-25)

God=
1 (Echad) LORD (Deut 6:4-5)

Another clear example of unity, and specific equal Persons in the Godhead

Its a false argument to say this is not taught in the OT, therefore it cant be true. There are many things that are brought to a much clearer Light through the NT scriptures. Genesis 1 is foundation, and its speaks of plurality, that cant be avoided. Anyone with any sense back then would have just believed that, and took all the scriptures as they came and believed them. I don’t know any unitarian or modalist, or bitarian or arian, or lesser god jesus movement that correctly believes Genesis 1 with what else they have in scripture. Again, the Spirit of the God, Gen 1:2 compared to Acts 5:1-10, what do you think peter got from the teachings of Jesus?

Clearer Light, Jesus says before gen 1:1, He was in glory (Jn 17:5). Now, how can one take “this day i have begotten thee” against that clear scripture in Jn 17:5? Jn 17:5 goes before Gen 1:1, and a jew reading malaci in 400BC did not have that exact detail about glory of Persons, but you have a Bible, you are responsible.

1 Cor 8:6:

If you say the Father is the only God, then consistently, Jesus is the only Lord, be consistent. If you were consistent, you just blasphemed the shema (Deut 6:4-5)

The Father calls Him (Jesus) God (Heb 1:8-13), which means, the OT does also (Ps 45:4-8, 102:25-27)

All 3 create

All 3 sanctify

All 3 speak

All 3 testify

All 3 are called LORD!

These 3 are 1!

Don’t go into the other ditch just because catholics believe in the trinity and an eternal hell. Those heretics are not wrong about absolutely everything, just most!

They butcher it adding purgatory and are seered to the extent they think they arent going there, but its true. As they add mary to some deity goddess role. But its not necessary to base all your doctrines just because of a group you dont like. That is just emotionalism

The fact that many bring augustine into this just shows they arent being truthful, because much was said before augustine and the catholics arrived.

That being stated, it wont change what the Bible says. Anyone that gets their doctrine solely from the early church, pre-catholic, is going to get mixed up on something because they are not authoritative.

You need taught of the Holy Spirit, who is a Person, but not the Father.

People are fellowshipping with a mere power I think, that is their issue. Its also an issue saying the Holy Spirit is the exact Person of the Father when Jesus says the opposite (Jn 14:1-16:33)

Blasphemers are in a hole on this doctrine, and are trying to dig out hiding behind rome, same thing the 7th day Adventists do, its a cult like mentality.

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion(koinōnia) of the Holy Ghost, be with you all.

From G2844; partnership, that is, (literally) participation, or (social) intercourse, or (pecuniary) benefaction: – (to) communicate (-ation), communion, (contri-), distribution, fellowship.

1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

How can a mere power speak?

Mk 16:19-20

Who is the Lord in verse 20?

Heb 10:15, Jer 31:31-34


The egg analogy teaches against modalism, and unitarianism, it does not teach against the God of the Bible. 

The egg being 3 parts, the 3 are still equal to 1 egg, they can still be called egg when separate, they are distinct of each other when necessary. When Jesus was walking around preaching, He is God, yet, He is not the Father, that is simple

So unless you are now calling the Holy Spirit a Person, your egg bit does not fit your theology.


For someone to teach a 1 Person Godhead, they will deny many verses

Lk 22:42
Matthew 12:32-27
Rev 5:1-8
Jn 17:5

There are a host more…

But like cultists, they will only cling to the verses that fit their belief, it does not work like that when people rebuke catholics or calvinists, but when convenient for them, its used, hypocrisy.

If you say you received Christ, but you are denying the work of the Holy Spirit while Christ is sitting on the throne next to His Father, you are in great danger! You will need to deal with the 3 Persons of Jn 14:1-16:33 because anyone can make up a false christ (Mk 13:22) that saved them from drunkenness, fornication, etc. 

I know I will be judged(Rom 14:12), and its not by some “god” many made up that talks to himself, prays to himself, sits next to himself, warns about blaspheming someone else, who is actually himself. Same god who speaks from heaven about himself, calling himself his own son.

Use common sense…

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one(echad) flesh.
Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one(echad) LORD:
Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

In the beginning was the word and the Word was God and the Word was with God… And the word became flesh
 
1 Person can’t have 2 wills:

Luk 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh 1Tim 3:16, John 1:1 ‘word is God, word became flesh’,
He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of Virgin Mary as a Sign to the Jews. (Isa7:14, Mt1:20, Lk1:35) The Lord’s human nature consists of the same flesh and blood as mankind. He was tempted in all points as man yet without sin. (Jn1:14, Rom8:3, Phil2:7-8, Heb2:14, 17, 4:15, 2Jn7) Christ overcame Sin, the flesh and the Devil in His Life, Death and Resurrection. (1Jh3:8) He resides as our Great High Priest, head of the church and will return to Judge the World in Righteousness. (Heb10:12, 12:2, Eph5:23, 2Thes1:8-9, Rev22:12) He is the Image of the invisible God, first born of all creation, creator of all things and in Him all things consist. (Col 1:14-18) In Him the fullness of the Godhead expressed is Col2:9. (Hebrew elohim plural, divine ones, Gen1:1) Christ is God, infinite in Power and Knowledge; Omniscience, Omnipresence, and Omnipotence. (Godhead: ‘theotes’, state of being God. Synonym of divinity ‘theiotes’, divine nature) In Scripture the Godhead is expressed to us as: The Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Matt28:19. You DO NOT have to be a ‘Trinitarian (in the Catholic sense) to believe Christ is God! But you must recognize Him as God manifest in the flesh or your sin remains.


A few questions answered:

1. I understand that in God there are three divine persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Is God the father greater or older than the other two persons?

ANSWER: No, God the Father is neither greater nor older than the Son and the Holy Spirit.  See John 1:1-4 and John 17:5 with Philippians 2:5-11.  The God head eternally exists in three distinct persons who consist in an eternal, inseparable unity.  Philippians 2:5-11- Christ’s humility in becoming a man and subjecting Himself to human flesh with its sufferings and weakness is so amazing because it was not robbery for Him to claim the honor and rights due to God.  As was said on the call though, Philippians 2:5-11, Hebrews 2:5-10, Hebrews 5:7-10, John 14:28, etc show that Christ was less than the Father in His humanity due to the very fact that He left heaven and came to earth to be a servant.  1 Corinthians 11:3 and 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 show that there is a sense that Christ is subject to the Father even now- but that doesn’t mean He is less than the Father in terms of power, glory, honor, character, etc; but only that He carries on the office which He died and rose again  to fulfill- to be the one mediator between God and man as 1 Timothy 2:4-5 says.  Since Christ is one with the Father in terms of character and purpose there wouldn’t and couldn’t be a conflict of interest between Jesus’ will and the Father’s now.  However, when Jesus was a man on earth He had to be subject to the Father in the sense of denying His own will because He then had a human will, human desires, human interests, etc which He had to deny to in order to do what He was sent by the Father to accomplish (John 6:38, Matthew 26:39-42, etc).  This is mysterious, but it’s what we see revealed in the Scriptures.

2. Are the three divine persons distinct from one another?

ANSWER: Yes, they are distinct- Matthew 3:16-17, John 14:15-17, Acts 2:33, Acts 5:30-32, Isaiah 48:16-17, 1 Peter 1:2, 2 Corinthians 13:14, etc,, etc. 3.If Jesus is supposedly part of the Trinity how come he did not even know when the hour would come?

3) If Jesus is supposedly part of the Trinity how come he did not even know when the hour would come?

ANSWER: (with the Mark 13:32 objection)  Like Philippians 2:5-11 shows Jesus voluntarily limited Himself in His humanity and suspended His powers as God (but not His character as God) for several reasons related to purchasing our salvation and to be an example and helper to us (Hebrews 5:7-10, Hebrews 6:19-20, Hebrews 2:14-18, Hebrews 4:14-16, etc)

 
4.In what way is the son of God”one with the Father?

ANSWER: He is one with the Father in character, essential glory (like the sunlight is to the sun- Hebrews 1:1-5), in moral judgments, goal, purpose, heart, zeal for Truth etc, etc (John 1:18) 5.Muslims say that Bible claim God is Spirit, but Jesus have got bone and flesh ,this proves that to Muslim Jesus is not Spirit and not Almighty God.

5)  Muslims say that Bible claim God is Spirit, but Jesus have got bone and flesh ,this proves that to Muslim Jesus is not Spirit and not Almighty God.

ANSWER: Hebrews 2:5-10, Philippians 2:5-11 and John 1:1-4 and John 1;14 explain the answer to this. The incarnation of Christ was His humiliation that He chose for our sake- Jesus is not inherently a man but became a man miraculously by the virgin birth.  When the Bible says God is a Spirit it is speaking of His intrinsic, essential substance.  The Nicene Creed rightly says of Jesus:

 
“by whom were all things made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary, and was made man;
  he was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried, and the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heavenand sitteth on the right hand of the Father;
  from thence (there) he shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead.”
 
We would encourage you all who preach to Muslims to seek to shift the conversation away from the Trinity when they try to argue with you about it to deal with other topics like:
 
 The law of God- its demands and punishments; the law’s declaration that the soul that sins shall surely die and how a spotless blood atonement is needed to make atonement for the soul (like Leviticus chapters 17 and 22 teach); how Christ is the Messiah and Redeemer spoken of by Moses and the Prophets, the spotless Lamb of God whose blood they need to wash them from their sins (you know that even the Koran teaches Moses was a messenger of God); that Christ proved Himself to be the Son of God and the Spotless Lamb by His resurrection from the dead (and therefore whatever the Bible says about His divinity and the Trinity must be true); 

And also: Signs and wonders in the Scripture are given to be something to distinguish the true God from false gods and to prove Jesus is the Jewish Messiah whom the Scriptures speak of- you are in a situation with the Muslims where such signs and wonders would have meaning (unlike in America); so pray for God to work and lead you there- from what Jimmy has shared it sounds like He has already confirmed His Word among your people by some miracles and He may very well be pleased to do so again.  As long as people have hard hearts they are not likely to change their minds in areas in which they are already biased against Christ and the gospel; and even if they did change their minds in such areas it would have at best limited value while their hearts remained hard- see Daniel 5:20 there.